I wrote on this a KJBD defense forum post in 2004 with the title: Chuck Missler seems to be the only popular person who is a mess on this today.
The fact that Panin designs his own text to fit the theory should tell you enough. A lot depends on how savvy you are on math and statistical manipulations. Since we have gone over this numerous times, and it is a minor issue, I have not written a paper on it.
Even in the section above, there were vague references to a Greek text, yet Missler did not even tell you which one, which would be absolutely necessary, since every text has variants. There was rigging everywhere, nothing was rigorous, his work is worse than worthless. At other times he made up his own text so that the numbers would work. At times he actually used the Westcott-Hort text in his calculations. Why don't you do a bit of web research? I'll give you a couple of points. There is so much stuff on Panin's methodology. The couple of minutes on Westcott and Hort were very lean, and not as bad. To make it worse, Missler is relying on totally bogus arguments from Ivan Panin. Shoddy scholarship is a discredit to our defense of God's pure word.
Ivan Panin Bible Numerics plus#
Plus he is quite inaccurate factually, like when he says near the beginning that 5,556 mss were available to the learned men oh the AV. Missler has a very inconsistent Bible position, so anybody wading through his body of work will end up confused. (no longer available, it was from named "Westcott & Hort versions VS King James Version - Dr. Please watch entirety before giving your thoughts on this video. Why or why not?ĭEBATE TOPIC: Are there intentional numeric patterns in the Bible or not?, please don't move.Have you ever heard of Chuck Missler?.
So my question is, do you think the patterns are chance, divine design, or otherwise. O The first and last letters of each word total 51x7x7. O The last letters of each word total 205x7. O The even (2,4,6.) letters in each word total 138x7. * There are 3x7 consonants in words of even length. * There are 7 words ending with consonants. * The consonants in words 2,4,6,8,10 sum to 177x7. * The consonants in words ending with a consonant sum to 485x7, of which 192x7 comes from the odd length words and 293x7 from the even length words. * The consonants in words starting with a consonant sum to 537x7. * The first and last words sum to 202x7, of which the first letters contribute 80x7. Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary Here is someone claiming the same patterns can be found in "The Raven": These six Greek words contain precisely 56 letters (7x8 = 56)Ĥ The number of distinct proper names in the passage is 7ĥ The number of Greek letters in these seven proper names is 42 (7圆 = 42)Ħ The number of words spoken by the angel to Joseph is 28 (7x4 = 28)ħ The number of Greek forms of words used in this passage is 161 (7x23 = 161)Ĩ The number of Greek forms of words in the angel's speech is 35 (7x5 = 35)ĩ The number of letters in the angel's 35 forms of words is 168 (7x24 = 168) In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth:Ģ The number of letters equals 28 (7x4 = 28)ģ The first 3 Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" have14 letters (7x2 = 14)Ĥ The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)ĥ The fourth and fifth words have 7 lettersĦ The sixth and seventh words have 7 lettersħ The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)Ĩ The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7x2 = 14)ĩ The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 lettersġ0 The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7x19 = 133)ġ1 The Hebrew numeric value of first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7x199 = 1393)ġ The number of words in the seven word passage is 161 (7x23 = 161)Ģ The number of Vocabulary words is 77 (7x11 = 77)ģ Six Greek words occur only in this passage and never again in Matthew. Ivan Panin was a Russian mathematician who supposedly discovered a pattern of 7's running all throughout scripture, and, according to him, defying chance or human design. Okay, I made a similar thread before, but it was moved to random ramblings for not having a clear discussion question, and since I'd like to see people seriously debate this, I'll try one more time:
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